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    I think the bird flipper was an image taken from the FB page of thug Treyvon Martin of San Diego Ca, distinctly different from the dead thug of Sanford Florida.
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    Chucky Schumer has written to Eric Holder to ask him to "investigate the stand your ground laws in America" now....
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    News Alert:

    12:00 EST a news conference out of Florida about this case.
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    I'm pretty sure that the picture of the bird flipping thug is the wrong Treyvon Martin.
    'Fake'' Trayvon Martin picture circulates on the web; image actually shows a different person

    12:20 PM, Mar 26, 2012 | 3 comments



    An image circulating on the Internet claims to show Trayvon Martin giving a vulgar gesture in a Facebook photo. The picture has since been determined to not be of the slain 17-year-old.
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    PHOTOS: Florida teen Trayvon Martin killed by neighborhood watch volunteer

    As public outrage over the shooting of a Florida teen by a neighborhood watchman grows, so too has a backlash against 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

    An unarmed Martin was shot and killed in February as he was returning to a home from a 7-Eleven by 28-year-old George Zimmerman. Claiming self defense, Zimmerman has not been arrested.

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    Rallies and protests have since erupted, demanding Zimmerman's arrest. Meanwhile, others have come to Zimmerman's defense and some have questioned the media's bias and narrative surrounding the shooting.

    Over the weekend, a picture began circulating that claimed to show Martin in a less-than-flattering light: shirtless, sagging pants, and giving the finger to the camera.

    The image quickly circulated across blogs and websites, with many claiming it as evidence that Martin was not as innocent as family and supporters claimed, as well as alleging media bias.

    There is one problem to that claim: the picture is not Trayvon Martin.

    Or at the very least, he's not the one who made worldwide headlines after his death. The Facebook page the picture came from appears to belong to a different Trayvon Martin, whereas the image is nowhere to be found on the slain teen's profile.

    Street Wise Pundit, a liberal blog, claims the widely circulated "fake" Trayvon Martin picture originated on a white supremacist website.

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    My wife and I discussed it being a fake yesterday. It's sad someone did that, but you know it was probably some idiot blogger who just didn't take the time to verify which Trayvon he was stealing the picture from.

    Hell, he probably grabbed the first one he saw.

    OR it COULD have been a LEFTIST planting the picture to incite things even FURTHER!

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    Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering his head

    7:36 p.m. EST, March 26, 2012|By Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel


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    With a single punch, Trayvon Martin decked the Neighborhood Watch volunteer who eventually shot and killed the unarmed 17-year-old, then Trayvon climbed on top of George Zimmerman and slammed his head into the sidewalk, leaving him bloody and battered, law-enforcement authorities told the Orlando Sentinel.

    That is the account Zimmerman gave police, and much of it has been corroborated by witnesses, authorities say. There have been no reports that a witness saw the initial punch Zimmerman told police about.

    Zimmerman has not spoken publicly about what happened Feb. 26. But that night, and in later meetings, he described and re-enacted for police what he says took place.

    In his version of events, Zimmerman had turned around and was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from behind, the two exchanged words and then Trayvon punched him in the nose, sending him to the ground, and began beating him.

    Zimmerman told police he shot the teenager in self-defense.

    Civil-rights leaders and more than a million other people have demanded Zimmerman's arrest, calling Trayvon a victim of racial profiling and suggesting Zimmerman is a vigilante.

    Trayvon was an unarmed black teenager who had committed no crime, they say, who was gunned down while walking back from a 7-Eleven with nothing more sinister than a package of Skittles and can of Arizona iced tea.

    Zimmerman's account

    This is what the Sentinel has learned about Zimmerman's account to investigators:

    He said he was on his way to the grocery store when he spotted Trayvon walking through his gated community.

    Trayvon was visiting his father's fiancée, who lived there. He had been suspended from school in Miami after being found with an empty marijuana baggie. Miami schools have a zero-tolerance policy for drug possession.

    Police have been reluctant to provide details about their evidence.

    But after the Sentinel story appeared online Monday morning, City Manager Norton Bonaparte Jr. issued a news release, saying there would be an internal-affairs investigation into the source of the leak and, if identified, the person or people involved would be disciplined.

    He did not challenge the accuracy of the information.

    At a Monday news conference, Trayvon's mother, father and their lawyers called the report that their son was suspended from school because of a marijuana baggie irrelevant and needlessly hurtful.

    Trayvon's father, Tracy Martin, said "even in death, they are still disrespecting my son, and I feel that that's a sin."

    His mother, Sybrina Fulton, said, "They killed my son, and now they're trying to kill his reputation."

    Supporters have held rallies in Sanford, Miami, New York and Tallahassee, calling the case a tragic miscarriage of justice.

    Civil-rights activist the Rev. Al Sharpton headlined a rally in Sanford on Thursday that drew an estimated 8,000 people. The Rev. Jesse Jackson on Sunday spoke at an Eatonville church, where he called Trayvon a martyr.

    Zimmerman has gone into hiding. A fringe group, the New Black Panther Party, has offered a $10,000 reward for his "capture."

    One-minute gap

    On Feb. 26, when Zimmerman first spotted Trayvon, he called police and reported a suspicious person, describing Trayvon as black, acting strangely and perhaps on drugs.

    Zimmerman got out of his SUV to follow Trayvon on foot. When a dispatch employee asked Zimmerman if he was following the 17-year-old, Zimmerman said yes. The dispatcher told Zimmerman he did not need to do that.

    There is about a one-minute gap during which police say they're not sure what happened.

    Zimmerman told them he lost sight of Trayvon and was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from the left rear, and they exchanged words.

    Trayvon asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said no and reached for his cell phone, he told police. Trayvon then said, "Well, you do now" or something similar and punched Zimmerman in the nose, according to the account he gave police.

    Zimmerman fell to the ground and Trayvon got on top of him and began slamming his head into the sidewalk, he told police.

    Zimmerman began yelling for help.

    Several witnesses heard those cries, and there has been a dispute about whether they came from Zimmerman or Trayvon.

    Lawyers for Trayvon's family say it was Trayvon, but police say their evidence indicates it was Zimmerman.

    One witness, who has since talked to local television news reporters, told police he saw Zimmerman on the ground with Trayvon on top, pounding him — and was unequivocal that it was Zimmerman who was crying for help.

    Zimmerman then shot Trayvon once in the chest at very close range, according to authorities.

    When police arrived less than two minutes later, Zimmerman was bleeding from the nose, had a swollen lip and had bloody lacerations to the back of his head.

    Paramedics gave him first aid but he said he did not need to go to the hospital. He got medical care the next day.

    The Department of Justice last week opened a civil-rights investigation into what happened, and Gov. Rick Scott appointed a special prosecutor, Angela Corey, the state attorney for Duval, Clay and Nassau counties.

    In an interview with the Sentinel on Monday, she said it is too early to say whether she would leave it to a Seminole County grand jury, which local prosecutors had decided to convene April 10, to decide whether to charge Zimmerman with manslaughter or some other crime.

    Her two-lawyer team worked through the weekend on the case, she said, and it will take several more days, perhaps a week, to decide how best to proceed.

    She would not comment about any specific pieces of evidence, including what authorities have learned from a 16-year-old Miami girl who may have been on the phone with Trayvon as he and Zimmerman came face to face.

    Benjamin Crump, one of the family's attorneys, told reporters last week that the girl told him she heard the two exchange words then a sound that she believed was Zimmerman pushing Trayvon.

    Corey said her office has routinely challenged self-defense claims and will pursue charges in this case if the evidence supports it.

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    Trayvon Martin shooting: New details emerge from Twitter account, witness testimony

    By Dylan StablefordSenior Media Reporter

    By Dylan Stableford | The Cutline22 hrs ago



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    As George Zimmerman's supporters work to stem the rising tide of public outrage aimed at the neighborhood watchman who shot and killed Florida teenager Trayvon Martin last month, a new picture of the victim—culled from the 17-year-old's Twitter account and witness testimony leaked from local law enforcement—has emerged.

    "With a single punch," the Orlando Sentinel, citing police sources, reported Monday, "Trayvon Martin decked the Neighborhood Watch volunteer ... climbed on top of [him] and slammed his head into the sidewalk several times, leaving him bloody and battered."

    "That is the account Zimmerman gave police," the paper said, "and much of it has been corroborated by witnesses, authorities say."

    Zimmerman's attorney, Craig Sonner, says that Zimmerman acted in self-defense and is not a racist as some have portrayed him.

    "I think we need to let the investigation come forward and let all the facts in this case come out," Sonner said on the "Today" show. "I think it's going to tell a different story than the way it's been related and portrayed in the media."

    [Related: Shooting puts Wisconsin's "castle" law under scrutiny]

    According to a CNN poll released Monday, 73 percent of Americans think police should arrest Zimmerman.

    Meanwhile, the difference between the typical teenager Martin's family and supporters say he was and the way he presented himself on social media is the subject of increasing debate.

    As Dan Linehan, a blogger at Wagist.com, pointed out, correspondence with Martin on Twitter before he died alludes to an incident with a bus driver. "Yu ain't tell me you swung on a bus driver," Martin's cousin wrote to him on Feb. 21.

    The same week, Martin was suspended for 10 days from Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High School in North Miami-Dade. "He was not suspended for something dealing with violence or anything like that," his father said. "It wasn't a crime he committed, but he was in an unauthorized area [on school property]," declining to offer more details.

    [Related: Martin's mother seeking trademarks]

    But a family spokesman told the Associated Press on Monday that Martin was suspended because marijuana residue was found in his book bag.
    More than 25,000 were expected to attend an afternoon rally in Sanford, Fla., on Monday for Martin, including the Rev. Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and other civil rights leaders.

    "The media is getting the Trayvon Martin story wrong," Michael Brendan Dougherty wrote on BusinessInsider.com, comparing it to the 2006 Duke lacrosse case, in which three members of the lacrosse team were accused of rape, resulting in a media firestorm and public outcry. The accuser's case unraveled, and the charges were eventually dropped.

    "Oh how little we have learned," David Shane wrote on PolicyMic.com. The media has rushed to judgment yet again. Now, it's quite possible that Zimmerman is guilty of everything his worst foes accuse him of. There is plenty about this case that troubles me. But that's exactly the point—I don't know. Neither does anyone else, and both the scope and tone of the media coverage ought to reflect that fact."

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    No, the man hasn't got problems. He is a neighborhood watch guy.

    I am too. I have called the cops in my 22 years in my home about dozens of times for suspicious activities. And in 98% of the cases there was a problem. We've had robberies in our area before. We had a home invasion up the street a few years back. We even had a group park a truck in front of a house where the owner was on vacation and started loading up his stuff into the truck pretending to be "movers". They arrested 3 or 4 people in that incident.

    My neighbor who used to live across the street was a cop. HE called me one night after calling 911 to come assist him in an arrest of two burglars breaking into a neighbor's home. The cops showed up about 10 minutes after he had made the off-duty arrest. I got called to court on that one and the one for the "movers" as "witness". I never was called to take the stand though.

    I guess it depends on your point of view though.

    If people are in your neighborhood doing things they ought not be doing, do you ignore them then?
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    Here's the BIG issue.

    In the United States Zimmerman is INNOCENT until they PROVE he is guilty. That doesn't mean the authorities can't arrest him or perhaps shouldn't (even if it is for his own protection!)

    BUT, he is INNOCENT of "murder" until they give him his due process which is starting today. There's inquest or a Grand Jury starting this afternoon to HEAR all the evidence, in particular the 911 tapes, and from the witnesses to DETERMINE if there was a crime committed.
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    I think you're missing the point.

    He was out for a reason. The police can't be everywhere. Robberies and other crimes occur when police aren't around. Obviously he didn't NEED the police to feel safe, he was calling them to investigate suspicious activity.

    You can't just point a gun at someone and say "Drop it or you're dead" in most circumstances.

    As far as I am concerned the guy is innocent. When the have a court case and jury finds him guilty, he will be guilty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterle Matteo View Post
    The problem is...he need police to feel safe.

    If all 46 times ended up in nothing, the problem is worst.



    My neighborhood are Muslims.

    I ignore.
    Firstly, that 46 call to the police number is false. Heard that on Mark Levin's radio show. Don't have a linked source to back that up at the moment.

    Secondly, even if it were true (which is apparently isn't), rather than showing someone who would engage in vigilante justice as many are claiming he did it would seem to show someone who wants to allow the proper authorities to do their job.

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    Okay, here's a link - http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...plete-log.html

    Most of which is for typical neighborhood watch type stuff, i.e. open garage doors, stray dog, fire alarm going off, etc.

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    Actually, ALL the 911 calls were recorded Peterle. There were at least three others that I've heard about. Two neighbors called and someone inside an apartment who heard the shots.

    There were, besides Zimmerman and Martin, at least two other witnesses to the attack and there might actually have been a third witness from all the information I've read.

    It WILL come out.

    Again... if you personally go out and stop all the crime then you are doing something you shouldn't be doing.

    If you're out and about reporting the crimes (by calling 911) then you ARE letting the police do their job. Unfortunately, in larger cities the police simply don't have time to respond to every, single call because there are so many people and so few cops.

    This is why the citizens ASSIST with programs like "Neighborhood Watch" and most areas of the US have these groups, including my own. I started the "Watch" program in my OWN neighborhood. I had to convince the neighbors to all get involved (or a good portion of them) and to hold regular meetings. I did it for about two years until the folks quit coming to meetings, and some simply moved out of the area.

    And during that time we had NO crimes, but the calls to the 911 operators increased drastically when something was going on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterle Matteo View Post
    What is better?

    An old style fight

    or

    a thing that end in a dead.
    An old style fight.

    Problem is that it is ILLEGAL in almost every county, state and city in the USA to "fight".

    If you throw a punch at someone, you will be arrested for assault.

    I know of specific circumstances (from personal experience) where that won't happen... but, they are rare.
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    Here are some of Trayvon's last tweets on Social Media account...the unedited versions are here from the Daily Caller.

    Scroll down to the bottom and work your way up, newest starts at the top.

    Admin Note: Sorry to edit.... but this is NOT work safe stuff. Just wanted to let folks know, I just found out the hard way.

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    So when the Obama camp announced via Twitter yesterday that it was putting its 2012 hoodies on sale, it got some thinking: Is the President trying to capitalize off the death of Martin?



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    You're probably right. He didn't see a CRIME he saw something SUSPICIOUS and thought the kid was acting funny and might have been on drugs.

    The kid was walking through a "gated community" - do you know what those are?

    Following someone? How did the kid know he was following him? Maybe he might have been someone going the same way.

    The kid still approached him and attacked him according to the news now.

    If someone walked up and punched you in the face simply because you were walking the same way, whose fault is that?
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    True. He does.

    Again you missed my point. Yes, it's apparent he was deliberately following the kid.

    What would have happened if he had NOT be deliberately following and the kid punched his (or your) lights out - and still ended up getting shot?
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    Let me ask this another way Peterle...

    you are walking down the street minding your own business going somewhere. You have a take a turn soon and there is a guy walking in front of you. He turns the same way you are going. When you come around the corner, he punches you in the face.

    Do you fight?

    Do you shoot him?

    Do you run away?

    Just curious.
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