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    San Diego Faces Own Medicine as Arizona Residents Cancel Travel Following Boycott of State
    May 17, 2010

    Arizona tourists are biting back against San Diego for its city council's decision to boycott the Grand Canyon State over its immigration law signed by Gov. Jan Brewer last month.

    Would-be tourists have notified the San Diego Convention and Visitors Bureau and some hotels that they are canceling their scheduled travel to the coastal vacation destination, according to the San Diego Union-Tribune.

    According to the newspaper, the convention bureau has received about 25-30 emails from Arizona residents, with some saying they are canceling their reservations and taking their money elsewhere.

    That has tourism officials urging Arizonans to consider the resolutions as merely symbolic and local politics at work.

    "We're in a very tough environment already because of everything else going on, and we don't need another negative impact to our industry," ConVis President Joe Terzi told the Union-Tribune. "This affects all the hardworking men and women who count on tourism for their livelihoods, so we’re saying, don't do something that hurts their livelihoods."

    "I've been approached by a number of hotels who are very concerned because they’ve received cancelations from Arizona guests," Namara Mercer, executive director of the county Hotel-Motel Association, told the newspaper.

    Roughly 2 million Arizonans visit San Diego each year but the recession has taken a toll on the hotel industry that was hoping for a comeback this year. Hotels are offering deep discounts to fill up their undersold rooms while the tourism board spends $7 million this spring and summer season to promote travel to the area.

    Several councils in large cities like Los Angeles, Austin, Boston and San Francisco have approved boycotts on employee travel or future contracts with Arizona businesses as a result of the law that goes into effect on July 1. The state tourism bureau has said the losses so far have reached nearly $10 million as a result of 23 canceled meetings.

    But others are cautious, noting unintended consequences. Milwaukee’s city council delayed a vote on a boycott and Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett said he opposes such action.

    On Saturday, former Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin appeared with Brewer in Phoenix to criticize President Obama for not passing an immigration law and putting Arizona in the situation where it had to act on its own.

    “It’s time for Americans across this great country to stand up and say ‘we’re all Arizonans now, and in clear unity, we say, Mr. President, do your job, secure our borders,’” Palin said.

    Palin also has denounced a decision by Highland Park, Ill., officials who canceled the high school girls’ basketball team’s travel to the state in December. Both Highland Park Assistant Superintendent Suzan Hebson and the Austin City Council suggested that their decisions were less based on politics than concern their players and employees could be in harm’s way if they want to Arizona. Hebson, however, told the Chicago Tribune that she did not know if any student players were themselves illegal immigrants.

    Palin, a former basketball player, said she would raise money or find other ways to get the players to the tournament.

    Meanwhile, in San Diego, school board President Shelia Jackson said she is sorry people don’t want to come to her city, but she still supports her vote to boycott Arizona.

    “It’s sad that people would cancel their plans to come here in reaction to that, but I still think we did the right thing,” Jackson told the Union-Tribune. “Certainly, we know how important tourism is to San Diego, and it wasn’t my intent to impact the tourism trade.”

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    “It’s sad that people would cancel their plans to come here in reaction to that, but I still think we did the right thing,” Jackson told the Union-Tribune. “Certainly, we know how important tourism is to San Diego, and it wasn’t my intent to impact the tourism trade.”
    Reactive and reaction... and you think it is SAD they cancelled trips to San Diego? I don't. I think it is sad you stand with ILLEGAL (let's get clear here, ILLEGAL) aliens who come to this country ILLEGALLY. Even worse, a good number of them are already CRIMINALS in Mexico and aren't arrested THERE, instead get HERE and kill, rape, rob, or cause car accidents in the US.

    Give it a rest, Ms. Jackson.
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    Sheriff: Mexican Drug Cartels Now Control Parts of Arizona

    "We are outgunned, we are out manned and we don't have the resources here locally to fight this." So said Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu.

    This is an INVASION.

    What is Obama waiting for?



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    Arizona Sheriff claims Mexican Drug Lords control parts of the Pinal County


    June 13, 3:30 PM · Kevin Whiteman - Wilmington Conservative Examiner

    Elieel Obed Beltran-Rabago, 21, a suspected illegal immigrant who stands accused of kidnapping two women in Mesa and taking them into Pinal County to rape them. "We're linking this suspect to other serious crimes that occurred in Pinal County, and it is troubling,"

    An area in south-central Arizona that was once a haven for family hiking and off-roading, now has signs warning of drug smugglers and human traffickers.

    Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu says that is department no longer has control over parts of his county.

    At a recent press conference, Sheriff Babeu said, "We are outgunned, we are out manned and we don't have the resources here locally to fight this."

    Last month, Pinal County Deputy Sheriff Louie Puroll was ambushed and shot as he tracked six drug smugglers. Sheriff Babeu said the ambush mirrored military tactics.

    In regards to Obama's promise of 1,200 National Guardsmen spread out from San Diego to the mouth of the Rio Grande, Babeu added, "It will fall short. What is truly needed in 3,000 soldiers for Arizona alone."

    Is This The Only Run In?

    In the past, Babeu has claimed that "Illegal immigration is connected to many of our crime problems."

    "It's much more complex, and we have to talk and then take enforcement action against all the crimes committed by illegal immigrants without being called racist," Babeu continued.

    Just one example was last July, the Pinal Co. Sheriff's Department arrested Elieel Obed Beltran-Rabago, 21, a suspected illegal alien, for kidnapping two women in Mesa and taking them into Pinal County to rape them. "We're linking this suspect to other serious crimes that occurred in Pinal County, and it is troubling," Babeu said.

    Impact On Other Counties

    "Pinal County has several illegal smuggling routes running through it, whatever I do or choose not to do as Sheriff will have an impact not only Pinal County, but also across the rest of the state," the Sher

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    Sounds like it is time to "round up the posse" and start deputizing armed folks to help get things done.

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    I only wish I could have a gun for my time in Arizona. My CCW is honored there since constitutional carry isn't in effect yet.

    I just don't want to deal with checking a gun.
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    June 17, 2010 3:10 PM
    Hillary Clinton Says White House Will Sue Over Arizona Immigration Law


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    According to President Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder, the Justice Department is currently in the process of deciding whether or not to file suit over Arizona's controversial immigration law, which Mr. Obama has called "
    misguided" and potentially discriminatory.

    According to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, however, the decision has already been made.


    "President Obama has spoken out against the law because he thinks that the federal government should be determining immigration policy," she said in an interview with an Ecuadorean television station
    flagged by The Right Scoop. "And the Justice Department, under his direction, will be bringing a lawsuit against the act."

    The Arizona law, which would go into effect in July, requires immigrants in the state to carry documents verifying their immigration status and requires police officers to question a person about his or her immigration status during a "lawful stop" if there is "reasonable suspicion" that person may be in the country illegally.


    Holder has indicated that he believes "the law is an unfortunate one that will be subject to potential abuse" and said that the Justice Department is "considering a court challenge."


    It is not clear whether Clinton was just making a prediction or whether she was getting ahead of a planned announcement by the administration. The Justice Department said today it is continuing to review the law.

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    Went ahead and renamed this thread to give it a more up-to-date title.

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    Arizona's Next Immigration Target: Children of Illegals
    Jun 12, 2010

    "Anchor babies" isn't a very endearing term, but in Arizona those are the words being used to tag children born in the U.S. to illegal immigrants. While not new, the term is increasingly part of the local vernacular because the primary authors of the nation's toughest and most controversial immigration law are targeting these tots - the legal weights that anchor many undocumented aliens in the U.S. - for their next move.

    Buoyed by recent public opinion polls suggesting they're on the right track with illegal immigration, Arizona Republicans will likely introduce legislation this fall that would deny birth certificates to children born in Arizona - and thus American citizens according to the U.S. Constitution - to parents who are not legal U.S. citizens. The law largely is the brainchild of state Sen. Russell Pearce, a Republican whose suburban district, Mesa, is considered the conservative bastion of the Phoenix political scene. He is a leading architect of the Arizona law that sparked outrage throughout the country: Senate Bill 1070, which allows law enforcement officers to ask about someone's immigration status during a traffic stop, detainment or arrest if reasonable suspicion exists - things like poor English skills, acting nervous or avoiding eye contact during a traffic stop. (See the battle for Arizona: will a border crackdown work?)

    But the likely new bill is for the kids. While SB 1070 essentially requires of-age migrants to have the proper citizenship paperwork, the potential "anchor baby" bill blocks the next generation from ever being able to obtain it. The idea is to make the citizenship process so difficult that illegal immigrants pull up the "anchor" and leave. (See pictures of the Great Wall of America.)

    The question is whether that would violate the U.S. Constitution. The 14th Amendment states that "all persons, born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States." It was intended to provide citizenship for freed slaves and served as a final answer to the Dred Scott case, cementing the federal government's control over citizenship.

    But that was 1868. Today, Pearce says the 14th Amendment has been "hijacked" by illegal immigrants. "They use it as a wedge," Pearce says. "This is an orchestrated effort by them to come here and have children to gain access to the great welfare state we've created." Pearce says he is aware of the constitutional issues involved with the bill and vows to introduce it nevertheless. "We will write it right." He and other Republicans in the red state Arizona point to popular sympathy: 58% of Americans polled by Rasmussen think illegal immigrants whose children are born here should not receive citizenship; support for that stance is 76% among Republicans.

    Those who oppose the bill say it would lead to more discrimination and divide the community. Among them is Phoenix resident Susan Vie, who is leading a citizen group that's behind an opposing ballot initiative. She moved to the U.S. 30 years ago from Argentina, became a naturalized citizen and now works as a client-relations representative for a vaccine company. "I see a lot of hate and racism behind it," Vie says. "Consequently, I believe it will create - and it's creating it now - a separation in our society." She adds, "When people look at me, they will think, 'Is she legal or illegal?' I can already feel it right now." Vie's citizen initiative would prohibit SB 1070 from taking affect, place a three-year moratorium on all related laws - including the anchor baby bill - to buy more time for federal immigration reform. Her group is racing to collect 153,365 signatures by July 1 to qualify for the Nov. 2 general election.

    Both sides expect the anchor baby bill to end up before the U.S. Supreme Court before it is enacted. "I think it would be struck down as facially unconstitutional. I can't imagine a federal judge saying this would be OK," says Dan Barr, a longtime Phoenix lawyer and constitutional litigator. Potentially joining the anchor baby bill at the Supreme Court may be SB 1070, which Arizona Republican Governor Jan Brewer signed into law in April. It is set to take effect July 29, but at least five courtroom challenges have been filed against it. Pearce says he will win them all.

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    Sources: Justice Department to File Lawsuit Against Arizona Immigration Law, Likely Next Week

    June 22, 2010 7:07 AM

    Obama administration sources tell ABC News that Attorney General Eric Holder is expected to file a lawsuit against the state of Arizona for its immigration law, likely next week.

    The suit has been expected for some time now. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told a South American television interviewer that the president had told the Justice Department to file the suit on the basis that it's the constitutional responsibility of the federal government -- not states -- to set immigration policy.



    "President Obama has spoken out against the law because he thinks that the federal government should be determining immigration policy," Clinton told the interviewer on station NTN 24. "And the Justice Department, under his direction, will be bringing a lawsuit against the act.”

    Holder is expected to also claim in his suit that the Arizona law will be enforced in a way that could cause discrimination based on race and nationality.

    - Jake Tapper

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    Rupert Murdoch, Mayor Bloomberg Lobby For Immigration Reform, Path To 'Legal Status' For Illegal Immigrants

    First Posted: 06-24-10 09:17 AM | Updated: 06-24-10 03:40 PM



    Mayor Bloomberg, left, is lobbying for immigration reform with CEOs of major corporations. News Corp. CEO Rupert Murdoch, right, is one of them.

    NEW YORK (AP)— Chief executives of several major corporations, including Hewlett-Packard, Boeing, Disney and News Corp., are joining Mayor Michael Bloomberg to form a coalition advocating for immigration reform – including a path to legal status for all undocumented immigrants now in the United States.

    The group includes several other big-city mayors and calls itself the Partnership for a New American Economy. It seeks to reframe immigration reform as the solution to repairing and stimulating the economy.

    Bloomberg and Rupert Murdoch, chairman and CEO of News Corp., appeared together Thursday on Fox News to discuss the effort.

    "We're just going to keep the pressure on the congressmen," Murdoch said. "I think we can show to the public the benefits of having migrants and the jobs that go with them."

    Bloomberg added, "Somebody has to lead and explain to the country why this is in our interest."

    The CEOs said Thursday in statements that their companies – and the nation – depend on immigrants.

    "It's our great strength as a nation, and it's also critical for continued economic growth," Walt Disney Co. Chairman and CEO Robert Iger said in a statement. "To remain competitive in the 21st century, we need effective immigration reform that invites people to contribute to our shared success by building their own American dream."

    The group says it intends to make its point to policymakers by "publishing studies, conducting polls, convening forums and paying for public education campaigns."

    The tactics are similar to those used by Bloomberg's coalition of mayors who support gun control.

    Bloomberg has for years criticized the federal government for its immigration laws, proposing in 2006 a plan that would have established a DNA or fingerprint database to track and verify all legal U.S. workers.

    The billionaire mayor, a former CEO of the financial information company Bloomberg LP, also said at the time that all 12 million undocumented immigrants in the United States should be given the opportunity for citizenship, saying that deporting them is impossible and would devastate the economy.

    Lawmakers who wanted to deport all illegal immigrants were "living in a fantasy world," he said.

    He has recently taken up the fight again, declaring this week that U.S. immigration policy "is national suicide."

    "I can't think of any ways to destroy this country quite as direct and impactful as our immigration policy," he said Wednesday. "We educate the best and the brightest, and then we don't give them a green card."

    The group's main immigration goals are to secure the borders, develop an easy system for employers to verify work eligibility, hold companies accountable for breaking the laws and improve the use of technology to prevent illegal immigration.

    The group also wants more opportunities for immigrants to join the U.S. work force and a path to legal status for all undocumented immigrants.
    Bloomberg spokesman Jason Post said no money has been spent on the effort yet, and he could not say whether the group will be a standard nonprofit, a political action committee or a group known as a 501(c)4 nonprofit, which can operate outside the more strict limits governing political action committees.

    The business leaders in the coalition employ more than 650,000 people and make more than $220 billion in annual sales, combined.

    The effort marks Bloomberg's return to national issues after he spent 2009 campaigning for a third term, focusing mostly on New York City's municipal concerns.

    The Republican-turned-independent spent about two years testing the waters for an independent 2008 presidential run, but ultimately he gave up the idea.

    By recruiting business leaders and mayors into a national-issue coalition, he is highlighting both of his backgrounds in running a city and running a business, which could be seen as an early move to dust off his presidential aspirations.

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    He's doing this because he knows it will not pass congressional debate.




    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/24/source-administration-weighing-unilateral-legalization-illegal-immigrants/

    Source: Administration Weighs Bypassing Congress to Let Illegal Immigrants Stay
    By Judson Berger

    Published June 24, 2010
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    The Obama administration has been holding behind-the-scenes talks to determine whether the Department of Homeland Security can unilaterally grant legal status on a mass basis to illegal immigrants, a former Bush administration official who spoke with at least three people involved in those talks told FoxNews.com.

    The issue was raised publicly by eight Republican senators who wrote to the White House on Monday to complain that they had heard the administration was readying a "Plan B" in case a comprehensive immigration reform bill cannot win enough support to clear Congress.

    The White House would not confirm or deny the claim. It's unclear what section of the illegal immigrant population such a move would target. But the former Bush official said the discussions are real.

    "The administration at the very minimum is studying legal ways to legalize people without having to go through any congressional debate about it," the source said, calling the senators' claim credible. "Whether somebody pulls the trigger on that, that's another issue."

    The senators -- Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa; Orrin Hatch, R-Utah; David Vitter, R-La.; Jim Bunning, R-Ky.; Saxby Chambliss, Ga.; Johnny Isakson, R-Ga.; James Inhofe, R-Okla.; and Thad Cochran, R-Miss. -- claimed in their letter that the administration was looking at extending what is known as deferred action or parole to millions of illegal aliens in the United States.

    The former official said it's unclear what specific avenues the administration is considering, but that one potentially feasible option would be to use either deferred action or parole to legalize at once the millions of immigrants who have overstayed their visas -- not necessarily those who crossed the border illegally. The Department of Homeland Security estimated last year that 10.8 million undocumented residents live in the United States -- the Pew Hispanic Center, which has a similar count, estimated in 2006 that at least 4 million of them overstayed their visas.

    Deferred action and parole would give illegal immigrants the ability to seek a work permit and temporary legal status.

    Those two tools are usually used on a case-by-case basis. The former official said any move to broaden that authority and use it on a mass basis would be "woefully inappropriate," though politically brilliant.

    The Republican senators who wrote to President Obama expressed a similar view. They wrote that any unilateral action would "further erode the American public's confidence in the federal government and its commitment to securing the borders and enforcing the laws already on the books."

    The discussions of blanket legalization come in the middle of several concurrent and heated debates over illegal immigration. The recently signed immigration law in Arizona has divided the country, with some states trying to replicate the state's tough legislation and other jurisdictions boycotting the state in protest. The Obama administration plans to file a court challenge.

    Democrats, meanwhile, have been trying to round up support for an overhaul bill in Congress.


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    They better study well, because, if they do this... it will NOT bode well for any democrat left in office.
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    Napolitano promises more security at Mexican border

    By Lauren French | McClatchy Newspapers



    WASHINGTON — Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said Wednesday she is considering new policies to strengthen the U.S. border with Mexico.

    Taking aim at politicians who use "bumper sticker" solutions and only "look tough," Napolitano praised the Obama administration for its efforts to increase security along the U.S.-Mexico line, but said the border can be further protected with a variety of approaches.

    "We are not satisfied," she said. "There is more work to do."

    Her remarks come as President Barack Obama is pressuring Congress to pass an immigration bill before the end of the year.

    Late Tuesday, the White House released a letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., requesting $500 million from Congress for border security.

    The funding and a deployment of additional members of the National Guard would augment the new initiatives Napolitano announced. These include a system linking state, local and tribal authorities with the Department of Homeland Security and the Department of Justice to establish a better system to share information.

    She also said the federal government will allow state and local police in non-border states to operate in the border regions to help local authorities track smugglers.

    The Obama administration, she said, knows protecting the border is a federal responsibility and she is committed to securing it from "Brownsville (Texas) to San Diego."

    "I've spent almost my entire life along that Southwest border," the former Arizona governor said. "This is a border I know very well."


    Napolitano said the federal government is seeing real progress on the border.

    "You may not get this impression from those trying to gain political point by saying the border is spinning out of control," she said, adding that the government is screening rail shipments for weapons, drugs and cash, and the number of security personal along the border has more than doubled since 2004.

    The last time Congress attempted to pass an immigration bill in 2007, a bipartisan filibuster blocked the measure. Now some Republican members of Congress are asking for the border to be secured before they'll approve comprehensive changes in immigration rules.

    Napolitano said that Republicans shouldn't use the issue to stall legislation. "The notion that you're going to somehow seal the border and only at that point are you going to discuss immigration reform — that is not an answer," she said.

    She added, "in every city and town, Americans want the federal government to secure our borders."

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    Obama and Mexico Sue Arizona Over Immigration

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    Anyone who has bothered to read Arizona’s new Immigration Law, SB 1070, knows that:

    • Arizona is merely trying to administer federal immigration laws that the Obama administration refuses to enforce;


    • SB 1070 is not racist because Arizona police are explicitly forbidden to use racial profiling. It requires police investigating another incident or crime to ask people about their immigration status only if there’s a “reasonable suspicion” they’re in the country illegally.

    But the truth has not stopped President Obama, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, and Mexico President Felipe Calderon from lying about the law and demonizing Arizona. [Read a simple Fact Sheet on the law, HERE, or SB 1070 HERE. It's only 16 pages!]

    Now, both Mexico and the Obama administration are suing Arizona!
    This past Tuesday, June 22, 2010, lawyers for Mexico submitted a legal brief in support of a lawsuit challenging the law. Mexico is asking a federal court in Arizona to declare the state’s new immigration law unconstitutional.

    That is so precious of Mexico — a country with a draconian policy on illegal immigrants, who when caught are immediately deported. Meanwhile, Mexican drug gangs have taken over whole swaths of southern Arizona, making 4.3 million acres dangerous and off-limits to Americans.

    As for the Obama administration, an editorial in Investors Business Daily on June 21, 2010, “Obamnesty First, Security Second?” says:
    Every nation has a right to protect its borders, and our commander in chief has a duty to protect ours. Refusal to do so for political reasons is unconscionable. Our border states should not remain exposed to the escalating violence of a Mexican drug war that has already claimed the life of one Arizona rancher.

    The murderers of Robert Krentz escaped to a protected pronghorn antelope area that the Interior Department of Secretary Ken Salazar had placed off limits to U.S. border patrol agents in order to protect endangered species. So unserious is the administration about protecting the border that it has placed off limits some 4.3 million acres of wilderness area that has become both a haven and a highway for illegal aliens, drug smugglers, human traffickers and potential terrorists.

    Arizona is now the kidnapping capital of the United States, and Phoenix has the second-largest kidnapping problem in the world, just behind Mexico City. Claremont Institute fellows William J. Bennett and Seth Leibsohn, writing in National Review, report that someone is kidnapped every 35 hours in Phoenix. According to the Maricopa County Attorney’s Office, kidnapping in Arizona increased 402% between 2004 and 2008, with almost 70% of the kidnapping cases submitted for prosecution involving illegal immigrants.

    This is part of a much bigger crime picture. The Center for Immigration Studies reports that while illegal aliens make up 9% of the Arizona population, they are responsible for 22% of the felonies in the state and they constitute 11% of the state prison population.

    Instead of securing the border, the Obama administration is preparing to sue Arizona for doing the feds’ job by passing SB 1070, which mimics existing federal law.

    The irony here is that the Department of Homeland Security has Memorandums of Agreement (MOAs) with around 70 state and local law enforcement agencies to participate in program 287(g) partnerships to enforce federal law. Nine of these jurisdictions are in Arizona and all of the agreements were inked while Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano was Arizona governor.

    Last October, Napolitano said these “agreements promote public safety by prioritizing the identification and removal of dangerous criminal aliens and ensure consistency and stronger federal oversight of state and local immigration law enforcement efforts across the nation.”

    Under these agreements, local law enforcement is trained and authorized to enforce federal immigration laws by arresting criminal illegal aliens. Nationwide the program has ID’d and processed for removal more than 110,000 criminal aliens since January 2006.

    The Obama administration wants to sue Arizona for doing what it authorized Arizona to do. No court should allow that.

    In a statement issued Friday after it was confirmed the administration was preparing to sue, Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer called Obama’s decision “outrageous” but “not surprising.” “Our federal government should be using its legal resources to fight illegal immigration, not the law-abiding citizens of Arizona,” Arizona’s governor said. We concur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Donaldson View Post
    They better study well, because, if they do this... it will NOT bode well for any democrat left in office.
    I don't know about that Rick.

    What seriously concerns me is all the new Dem voters this will enable.

    I believe the Dems' main motivation for doing this is to ensure they stay in office (new voters).

    Yeah, I agree some (who knows how many) current Dem voters will jump ship.

    But I don't know if that number will out weigh the new voters this monstrosity will create.

    Between this end-around ploy and the shit going down in AZ, I'm just about at a loss for words.

    This is wrong on so many levels.

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    No, you missed the gist of my point. It doesn't matter how many voters they gain if they are unable to take an office....

    Making a lot of new "voters" by doing an illegal thing isn't going to make the present, legal citizenship happy. In fact, if they pull this, it will be a cold day in hell for this country.
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    Actually, I got that part of it.

    But I'm kinda trying to curb my speech a bit.

    I'll agree; there's gonna be some seriously pissed off folks.

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    yes, me too.
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